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« Last post by Aentveditor on March 07, 2026, 02:29:10 pm »
Hello I have a pre war lionel train paper weight from early 1900's for sale. One sold not to long ago for $600 plus. I am looking to sell it.
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« Last post by WestPAKid on March 02, 2026, 06:37:34 pm »
I was gifted a Lionel 313 Bascule Bridge for my birthday. I cleaned it up and straightened it out. The motor works fine. I am having trouble getting the mechanical linkages from the 3rd reduction gear shaft to the bridge axel and to the far tower cam. I also do not have the spring tension right. I am looking for someone who knows the correct orientation of the cams and axel tabs or has a picture of them in the proper positions. It is harder than it looks.
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« Last post by mtnman1 on February 08, 2026, 11:12:59 pm »
Also Your brother may have put a new horn setup in it using the rear bracket too so look at it carefully. See if that is the case. If there is a different battery connection other than the original D cell one, (Say a 9 Volt one) its likely a modification.
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« Last post by mtnman1 on February 08, 2026, 11:08:53 pm »
It's a 2343 Postwar Santa Fe F3. One screw in the bottom front, 2 screws in the bottom back and the shell comes off. If your brother installed a replacement horn You will have look at the installation, trace the connections and see how he did it. Look for corrosion, broken wires, battery damage ect.... If, it's the original 2343 horn setup and the horn itself If its still there, it will be above the rear motor on a raised bracket.. There is also a relay that it connects to as well as additional wiring. . Sometimes the copper contact on the relay corrodes and stops the horn, Sometimes a dead battery left in the engine for years causes damage to the Battery holder compartment or it is just plain corroded. The horn itself may be oxidized a bit and not vibrating. Don't take it apart! Read up on how to do it.......The little tabs holding the cover on will likely break off if you don't and you will never get it back together so that it works without replacing the cover. See which horn setup is in the engine
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« Last post by Gary M on February 07, 2026, 09:19:20 am »
Hello. I got this train when I was a youngster. It has been stored for quite some time. My grandson is taking an interest in trains so I thought I would fire it back up. One thing I want to do is add an e-unit to it. Can someone please suggest which unit will fit best? I am good with soldering and also building a mount for it. Also, I noticed the smaller plastic gears between the motor drive and the wheels are worn. Are there spares that I can purchase for these? These gears will not last much longer. And another question is can you tell me where to purchase new brushes and what size?
Thanks for all. I am excited about getting back into this hobby after over 40 years!
Gary
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« Last post by John Bull on January 31, 2026, 05:50:09 pm »
I am writing from England as a first timer to the Lionel forum. I have a couple of questions that I hope your combined wisdom can answer.
I have inherited my Great-Grandfathers Lionel trains, although I have previously played with them as a child many decades ago. My Great Grandfather was the council transport manager in an English town in the 1920/30's, with responsibility for their electric tramways. Perhaps he had a leaning towards electric traction as he had a 150, 254, and a 256; all being electric-outline locomotives.
I wanted to buy a few extra pre-war carriages etc. to add to what I have and give me enough to display in a case. I have bought a copy of "Lionel Trains Standard of the world" and "Lionel, prewar O gauge, volume1". I would buy more Lionel reference books, but they are rare in England, and the cost of postage from the USA is often more than the cost of the book. The value guides probably aren't a lot of use here.
Is there a particular book I should get as a guide to Lionel prewar O-gauge?
I recently bought at auction a set of 254, 610, 610, 612 (8-window) carriages. My book says these should have type V or VII trucks, but these have type II trucks (without journal boxes). Is this to be expected (but my book is out of date), or perhaps an example of obsolete stock being used-up on export trains?
I also bought at auction: latch coupler 1630, 1630, 1631 carriages in Tuscan with black roof and observation veranda. As these colours aren't in the book, I assumed they would be a rough repaint in later life, but when I received them the paint quality is very high. Either someone took great care to dismantle them etc. or there is something odd about them. Have these carriages ever been reproduced in more recent times?
Any comments would be appreciated. Thank you.
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« Last post by aaganz on January 30, 2026, 11:45:11 am »
Thank you for the good insight, and I apologize for the late reply! I do not know the age of the Santa Fe diesel, as my (deceased) brother was an avid train collector, and had been acquiring Lionel trains for a long time. The locomotive number is "2343". The side ladder to the cab has 2 rungs. There is a "GM" logo on the side near the aft end of the engine. When I slide over the battery holding plate, there is an imprinted number "2333-20".
It is good to know that 9V may be too much for the horn actuation! I will have to disassemble the engine from the housing and check this out more. I hope to get to this in the next few weeks, after we did out from all the recent snow and ice in Connecticut!!
aaganz
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« Last post by mtnman1 on January 24, 2026, 06:49:31 pm »
Just to put things in perspective, You are working on What # Santa Fe Engine? It could be Postwar? 2333, 2343 2383? 2243? MPC? Modern ERA? What number is on the engine? There are so many things that can go wrong to cause the Horn not to work in any of these. Your brother might have put a replacement horn setup in the engine. I say this because 9V Is a bit too much voltage for a postwar horn. They did not come with 9V connections. They worked on 1.5 volt D cells. 9V can damage the coil in the horn of the earlier engines. There are 9V replacement horns available for replacement in postwar 2000 series engines. If so, and that's what you have, It may not be using the original horn relay to control it. It my be using another activator that came with the replacement, like a board. Can't really say without being able to see the installation. You say If you connect the 9V battery, the horn goes off, then whatever controls the horn is stuck on or is activated and needs to be looked at as to why it cant be controlled properly. Sorry I can't be of more help but with the info provided, it's all I can think of.
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« Last post by aaganz on January 11, 2026, 05:18:44 pm »
All,
I have resolved the reversing gear issue.
I am now trying to activate the Horn on the Santa Fe diesel. Please see the new Thread I have posted on this question, Thank you
aaganz
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« Last post by aaganz on January 11, 2026, 05:16:32 pm »
All,
This is in follow up to my previous posting on the reversing gear in my Santa Fe diesel.
I am trying to activate the Horn. When I insert a "D" size battery (either up or down) the "whistle control" from the Transformer doesn't activate it.
There is also a 9V battery connector in the battery compartment, that may have been an "add on" from my deceased brother. If I attach a 9V battery to it, the horn blows off!!
Any advice on making this all work would be appreciated!
aaganz
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Pre war lionel paper weight
by Aentveditor
March 07, 2026, 02:29:10 pm
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Reassemble of a Lionel 313 Bascule Bridge
by WestPAKid
March 02, 2026, 06:37:34 pm
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Re: Horn Operation in Santa Fe diesel??
by mtnman1
February 08, 2026, 11:12:59 pm
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Re: Horn Operation in Santa Fe diesel??
by mtnman1
February 08, 2026, 11:08:53 pm
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1972 Lionel 6-8111 DT&I Repair and Modification
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