I'm located in southern middle Tennessee, only authorized shop around in Huntsville Al., and no longer have a tech so no help. Again thanks, and hopefully something will happen. Going to try a restart again, if I had TMCC on it, shows a way to reset all values to default, but doesn't show how to do that running straight from transformer. Still trying to make up mind on TMCC or DCS. Luck me, at lest I'm going to get to start from a fresh new page instead of rebuilding an old layout.